Test song needs your critique to help improve

hi, basic tune using Fredman mic technique with $40 isk dm-57 mics (sm-57 style), SD2.0 basic beat, Cheap 6 string Bass guitar, Schecter C8- 8 string EADGCFAD tuning and using Blackstar Ht-dual->Boss Eq-7-->old 60W Crate amp Quad tracked (8 tracks) mastered with AAMS using a metal tone reference. please help me improve by your advise .thanks in advance

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12033682/Music/fredmanmicTEST3upload.mp3

tweaked a bit more

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12033682/Music/fredmanmicTEST3a_upload2.mp3

Hm... new song....

Gonna check it out when I get home cause now they'll kick my a*s !

Did you use EZdrummer?
I am familiar with this sound hehe and I kind dont like EZdrummer very much hehe.

Dude mix was really nice. It could be much better but that wasn't your fault
You did right what you had to do, but you need some better programs.

Check this topic it'll help you try some new stuff:
http://www.forum-mixingtips.org/software-vst-f7/list-of-guitar-and-bass-ampsim-software-t53.htm


Now my friend, please try cutting some db of your hi-hat it gets really annoying since its programmed and its sound isn't the best you can get.
I dont mean to cut it out, but duck it a little so the listener wont say "Damn this hi hat!!" haha.

When I listened to your song i almost heard a guitar playing in the middle which I really liked cause it suited the mix and gave a nice tone.
Bring its volume up


Overall: Great mixing hands, average sound sources.

- bass is a little foreground, make a narrow cut in 250hz like -4db and 150gz like -1.5/2db, also make a wide cut like in 550hz like -2db..u can also give some boost in 2k like 2db..

- hats are way too thin and has treble..and also whole drums doesnt sound "close to ears" so much..firstly, make a hi-cut in 15000hz, also make a boost in a very wide range in 550-600hz and make it at most 2db, else it begins to sound shitty , give a little 2.5k and 75hz to Kick drum, 3db in 300hz to snare..

- quad tracked? why would you do so? in normal conditions, dual tracking (only 1 for left and 1 for right, hard-panned) is quite enough..Try using VST's for your guitars mate, it'll satisfy you more than your Crate, for sure

Sender wrote:

Did you use EZdrummer?
I am familiar with this sound hehe and I kind dont like EZdrummer very much hehe.

Dude mix was really nice. It could be much better but that wasn't your fault
You did right what you had to do, but you need some better programs.

Check this topic it'll help you try some new stuff:
http://www.forum-mixingtips.org/software-vst-f7/list-of-guitar-and-bass-ampsim-software-t53.htm


Now my friend, please try cutting some db of your hi-hat it gets really annoying since its programmed and its sound isn't the best you can get.
I dont mean to cut it out, but duck it a little so the listener wont say "Damn this hi hat!!" haha.

When I listened to your song i almost heard a guitar playing in the middle which I really liked cause it suited the mix and gave a nice tone.
Bring its volume up


Overall: Great mixing hands, average sound sources.

Thanks for your great advice, really appreciated as im really not good at mixing and one of my ears are partially deaf
so i need all the help i can get. Yeah i use SD2.0 upgraded EZDrummer so yeah its the EZdrummer samples alot of those vsts i have and have tried the free ones but i never can get a decent sound out of them (ill send u a mix with the legion amp soon) the guitar in the middle is part of the harmony lead and i didnt really like it too loud as its not very good playing
I will work on the advice you gave me and see how it goes

P.S www.myspace.com/theomexustrail this is what my older mixes are like from top to bottom old to older

Slammer88 wrote:

- bass is a little foreground, make a narrow cut in 250hz like -4db and 150gz like -1.5/2db, also make a wide cut like in 550hz like -2db..u can also give some boost in 2k like 2db..

- hats are way too thin and has treble..and also whole drums doesnt sound "close to ears" so much..firstly, make a hi-cut in 15000hz, also make a boost in a very wide range in 550-600hz and make it at most 2db, else it begins to sound shitty , give a little 2.5k and 75hz to Kick drum, 3db in 300hz to snare..

- quad tracked? why would you do so? in normal conditions, dual tracking (only 1 for left and 1 for right, hard-panned) is quite enough..Try using VST's for your guitars mate, it'll satisfy you more than your Crate, for sure

hi, and thanks for your advice, really appreciated so i just wet the bass with a lil more reverb and ill adjust those freqs i quad track as it seems more fatter and less phasing IMO and the free vsts they sound great yes, but i just cant get a good sound out of them ( like your awesome mixes) maybe i can upload a test tune i did with the free legion amp vst and you maybe help me improve the vst amps sound?

anyhow will try your great advice

Sender wrote:

Did you use EZdrummer?
I am familiar with this sound hehe and I kind dont like EZdrummer very much hehe.

Dude mix was really nice. It could be much better but that wasn't your fault
You did right what you had to do, but you need some better programs.

Check this topic it'll help you try some new stuff:
http://www.forum-mixingtips.org/software-vst-f7/list-of-guitar-and-bass-ampsim-software-t53.htm


Now my friend, please try cutting some db of your hi-hat it gets really annoying since its programmed and its sound isn't the best you can get.
I dont mean to cut it out, but duck it a little so the listener wont say "Damn this hi hat!!" haha.

When I listened to your song i almost heard a guitar playing in the middle which I really liked cause it suited the mix and gave a nice tone.
Bring its volume up


Overall: Great mixing hands, average sound sources.

ok so did what u reccomended and what slammer88 reccomended, please tell me if it sounds better or worse and if u can maybe you can master it ? only if u dont mind

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12033682/Music/fredmanmicTEST4a_upload3.mp3

schecter2010 wrote:

Sender wrote:

Did you use EZdrummer?
I am familiar with this sound hehe and I kind dont like EZdrummer very much hehe.

Dude mix was really nice. It could be much better but that wasn't your fault
You did right what you had to do, but you need some better programs.

Check this topic it'll help you try some new stuff:
http://www.forum-mixingtips.org/software-vst-f7/list-of-guitar-and-bass-ampsim-software-t53.htm


Now my friend, please try cutting some db of your hi-hat it gets really annoying since its programmed and its sound isn't the best you can get.
I dont mean to cut it out, but duck it a little so the listener wont say "Damn this hi hat!!" haha.

When I listened to your song i almost heard a guitar playing in the middle which I really liked cause it suited the mix and gave a nice tone.
Bring its volume up


Overall: Great mixing hands, average sound sources.

ok so did what u reccomended and what slammer88 reccomended, please tell me if it sounds better or worse and if u can maybe you can master it ? only if u dont mind

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12033682/Music/fredmanmicTEST4a_upload3.mp3

Here's a quick one i'll re-do it soon but tell me if you liked it.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10887141/schecter%202010%201st%20matering.mp3

Sender wrote:

schecter2010 wrote:

Sender wrote:

Did you use EZdrummer?
I am familiar with this sound hehe and I kind dont like EZdrummer very much hehe.

Dude mix was really nice. It could be much better but that wasn't your fault
You did right what you had to do, but you need some better programs.

Check this topic it'll help you try some new stuff:
http://www.forum-mixingtips.org/software-vst-f7/list-of-guitar-and-bass-ampsim-software-t53.htm


Now my friend, please try cutting some db of your hi-hat it gets really annoying since its programmed and its sound isn't the best you can get.
I dont mean to cut it out, but duck it a little so the listener wont say "Damn this hi hat!!" haha.

When I listened to your song i almost heard a guitar playing in the middle which I really liked cause it suited the mix and gave a nice tone.
Bring its volume up


Overall: Great mixing hands, average sound sources.

ok so did what u reccomended and what slammer88 reccomended, please tell me if it sounds better or worse and if u can maybe you can master it ? only if u dont mind

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12033682/Music/fredmanmicTEST4a_upload3.mp3

Here's a quick one i'll re-do it soon but tell me if you liked it.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10887141/schecter%202010%201st%20matering.mp3

very nice im impressed thank u very much